So I finally got a chance to get all the Mosaic issues, and I'm slowly reading through them, going to re-listen to the podcasts, before I start with the final episode. I'd thought I'd post this since the old forum is dead and I'd like to comment on some of the things I've heard.
So I'm on issue #5 now, and on the podcast, you say that while it may appear that way, there isn't a racial component to the fight between Hal and John. While I would agree that neither side hates the other because of their skin, I could see how race adds a little fuel to the fire.
I mean, the general conceit is that John sometimes wishes he was Hal. That on it's own makes sense because of what Hal is--cool, confident, the ladies man, can just fly around and do what he wants. But...
On the second page, as John's narrating about his dream: "I rise in a glow of green power and pink flesh. ... My skin glows from the touch from a hundred pink women. ... My pale eyes blaze that the world is mine." The fact that he dreams that he is a white man reminds me a lot of the studies that's been done with black children where they prefer to play with and want to identify more with the white toys than the black. This also brings up the idea of white privilege--that Hal's ability to soar past everything isn't just part of his personality, but that due to the luck of being born with the "right" skin color, Hal didn't have to struggle as much as John would have to. And that the "world is mine" brings up the concept of colonialism.
The most blatant showing of racial component in the relationship is on the fifth page, when John monologues, "I have been his project. ... The confused one to reconstruct in his own image. He feels good when he can help me in spite of myself. I am his child-man." This creates all sorts of implications and allusions to how white Europeans viewed Africans when they were colonizing Africa. "Take up your white man's burden." They felt that they were helping the Africans by taking control and using their tools and resources to make the population less "savage." When Hal and John first met, Hal felt that John was too wild and belligerent--feeling that his bucking of authority figures made John a poor recruit (very hypocritical on Hal's part).
I don't want to go too much deeper into it, since I'm writing a monster of a post, but when you consider all that, plus all the different "stereotypes"/selves that John has in his mind, putting John in the role of Muhammad Ali, and having John's final blow be from him wearing baggy pants and hoodie telling Hal to "stick 'em up" (which has even more crazy implications considering the Trayvon Martin case going on in Florida), I think it's not giving the book enough credit to say that it isn't there and it isn't intentional.
So I'm on issue #5 now, and on the podcast, you say that while it may appear that way, there isn't a racial component to the fight between Hal and John. While I would agree that neither side hates the other because of their skin, I could see how race adds a little fuel to the fire.
I mean, the general conceit is that John sometimes wishes he was Hal. That on it's own makes sense because of what Hal is--cool, confident, the ladies man, can just fly around and do what he wants. But...
On the second page, as John's narrating about his dream: "I rise in a glow of green power and pink flesh. ... My skin glows from the touch from a hundred pink women. ... My pale eyes blaze that the world is mine." The fact that he dreams that he is a white man reminds me a lot of the studies that's been done with black children where they prefer to play with and want to identify more with the white toys than the black. This also brings up the idea of white privilege--that Hal's ability to soar past everything isn't just part of his personality, but that due to the luck of being born with the "right" skin color, Hal didn't have to struggle as much as John would have to. And that the "world is mine" brings up the concept of colonialism.
The most blatant showing of racial component in the relationship is on the fifth page, when John monologues, "I have been his project. ... The confused one to reconstruct in his own image. He feels good when he can help me in spite of myself. I am his child-man." This creates all sorts of implications and allusions to how white Europeans viewed Africans when they were colonizing Africa. "Take up your white man's burden." They felt that they were helping the Africans by taking control and using their tools and resources to make the population less "savage." When Hal and John first met, Hal felt that John was too wild and belligerent--feeling that his bucking of authority figures made John a poor recruit (very hypocritical on Hal's part).
I don't want to go too much deeper into it, since I'm writing a monster of a post, but when you consider all that, plus all the different "stereotypes"/selves that John has in his mind, putting John in the role of Muhammad Ali, and having John's final blow be from him wearing baggy pants and hoodie telling Hal to "stick 'em up" (which has even more crazy implications considering the Trayvon Martin case going on in Florida), I think it's not giving the book enough credit to say that it isn't there and it isn't intentional.